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SH4D0WZ0MB1E · Feb 18, 2011, 07:46 PM // 19:46

This new "update" seems interesting. Guess I'll have to wait to see how they new mechanics work. Until then, I'm still going to be working on this with my current char I got.

Ascended Furling · Feb 18, 2011, 08:52 PM // 20:52

Got Legendary survivor on 21 chars but love to get it on my first char i made. The others i deleted to get them survivor. i wonder how they will make it. If you have to get 1337 mil xp after dieing would be to easy.

Agar · Feb 18, 2011, 09:23 PM // 21:23

From Josh at the update talk page

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The reason for not saying things like that in advance is simply that it will stop people from playing (affected content) until it goes in, which will in turn make them bitter at us for not getting the update out faster, now that they know about it. Think of it this way: if you know everything that you're getting for Christmas (or other similar gift giving occasion) it feels like it's just taking longer to get them. If you don't know, then it's genuinely a surprise to be happy about. People's perceptions can take something that is good, and skew it to "This was owed to me/this was promised" where it then becomes a negative. It's kind of sad but true, and you can see this happening on the forums all the time. The short of it is yes, we're changing a couple of titles that are less than ideal to make them better. We're changing still more beyond that, which makes it hard to keep things from slipping to the Live server sometimes when a build is this big. But at least people don't have to wonder about it for that long.

TheRaven · Feb 18, 2011, 09:29 PM // 21:29

I'm excited about this. I want survivor on my 2 main characters. The real question is what is the best way to go about getting it? (No, i'm not buying a bunch of hammers and I'm not boxing my way to the title).

The survivors I do have earned the title with quest rewards, missions and skill capping. i.e, by playing the game. My main has Legendary Skill Hunter and has completed nearly every quest in the game.

My current plan is to vanquish a few of the easier areas and perhaps run thru FoW about a dozen times. I've cleared the area before on a survivor with 6 heroes and have taken friend's survivors along as well. My friends brought heroes played along side me and did not simply leech the whole trip.

Ascended Furling · Feb 18, 2011, 09:32 PM // 21:32

Ah cool. The not saying thing is good. But seeing in game changes like the new /deaths command make us more curious i think. At least me.

Kagome · Feb 19, 2011, 12:21 AM // 00:21

I don't understand. How does this work? O_O What's being changed?

tazer · Feb 19, 2011, 01:02 AM // 01:02

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Originally Posted by Kagome

I don't understand. How does this work? O_O What's being changed?

Nothing atm. But it's probably going to work like original Survivor: gaining exp consecutively without dying, but now deaths will only mean resetting the exp accumulated, not wasting a chance to get the title.

Star_Jewel · Feb 19, 2011, 02:37 AM // 02:37

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Originally Posted by Agar

From Josh at the update talk page

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The reason for not saying things like that in advance is simply that it will stop people from playing (affected content) until it goes in, which will in turn make them bitter at us for not getting the update out faster, now that they know about it. Think of it this way: if you know everything that you're getting for Christmas (or other similar gift giving occasion) it feels like it's just taking longer to get them. If you don't know, then it's genuinely a surprise to be happy about. People's perceptions can take something that is good, and skew it to "This was owed to me/this was promised" where it then becomes a negative. It's kind of sad but true, and you can see this happening on the forums all the time.

It makes me sick that the negative nancies have forced the devs to clam up about things.

I for one am relieved beyond belief that clues to this future update slipped through.

My ritualist was my second character, made her almost exactly 2 years ago. Pre-spirit spam buff. I loved her, loved her power, and thought I might actually be able to get Legendary Survivor on her. I got her to 500k experience by playing the game, made a stupid mistake, and killed her. I was incredibly bitter over it; once I got over the anger, I determined I would start her over and try again. I thought, "Well, her first birthday is coming up, so I'll get her birthday mini, and maybe craft a moa chick on her, and then I'll start her over." It took an entire year to get my play buddy to quit dragging his heels to do Sorrow's Furnace with me (he wanted to come along). We finally did Sorrow's Furnace recently, and I thought, "Okay, after her second birthday comes this March, I'll start her over..." Though I felt a little bad erasing 2 years of her life, I wanted to get the title I had always wanted for her.

I would have been TOTALLY PISSED OFF if I hadn't known about this possible change and deleted her only to have the update go in shortly after.

Hooray for slip-ups, and hooray for keeping us informed.

And as long as gaining the title is just as challenging as it was before (no picking up where you left off if you die at Indomitable), I am all for it.

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The short of it is yes, we're changing a couple of titles that are less than ideal to make them better.

This is interesting, though. Survivor/LDoA take planning, and those we should be informed about. But "a couple titles" has me curious -- "looking forward to Christmas morning but not dying to peek in the packages"-curious.

Wonder if Drunkard will be getting a much-begged-for fix...? (I'm at a pretty painless 9k minutes and couldn't care less -- though a "drunk meter" would be nice.)

TheGizzy · Feb 19, 2011, 05:12 AM // 05:12

I would like this very much if it turns out to be what so many suspect (ie: being able to get Survivor by earning appropriate amount of XP since most recent death). I only started playing in October, and knew nothing about Survivor, LDoA, the HoM, etc. I've only truly played my first toon... all the others I have are for storage. I did run the storage toons I made in Factions through the CNY quests, and then realized that my storage Rit was lvl9 and hadn't died, so I decided I'd turn her into my Survivor... but have not started working on that yet.

I'd much rather obtain Survivor with my main/first toon, my elementalist. I'm doing all of my other titles on her (except LDoA obviously - and I don't see myself ever actually doing that), and it's sort of bothered me that I'd have to use another toon entirely to get Survivor. I mean, I totally understood WHY it was that way, and I wasn't really bitter about it... just a little saddened, you know? I'm really attached to that toon, and pretty proud of her!

I've completed Prophecies, Nightfall & EotN... and I'm close to completing Factions (Unwaking Water, here I come!). I've only just recently started to actually vanquish - I think I have 6 or 7 areas in Nightfall done. I think that at this point, I know how to play my ele well enough that I actually COULD work my way through most things without dying. I deliberately avoided side quest content in Nightfall, Factions & partially in EotN because I very much wanted to do those in HM if possible... so I have a lot of quests I could complete for XP. And there are various missions that I genuinely really love doing in HM - Thunderhead Keep is probably my favorite (always happy when it is the Zaishen!!) and I'd have no problem doing those multiple times even if the only XP I got was from the kills themselves.

So yeah, really hoping this is a sign that there will be a way to obtain Survivor on an existing currently "disqualified" toon. That would be amazing!

drkn · Feb 19, 2011, 06:13 AM // 06:13

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It makes me sick that the negative nancies have forced the devs to clam up about things.

I for one am relieved beyond belief that clues to this future update slipped through.

My ritualist was my second character, made her almost exactly 2 years ago. Pre-spirit spam buff. I loved her, loved her power, and thought I might actually be able to get Legendary Survivor on her. I got her to 500k experience by playing the game, made a stupid mistake, and killed her. I was incredibly bitter over it; once I got over the anger, I determined I would start her over and try again. I thought, "Well, her first birthday is coming up, so I'll get her birthday mini, and maybe craft a moa chick on her, and then I'll start her over." It took an entire year to get my play buddy to quit dragging his heels to do Sorrow's Furnace with me (he wanted to come along). We finally did Sorrow's Furnace recently, and I thought, "Okay, after her second birthday comes this March, I'll start her over..." Though I felt a little bad erasing 2 years of her life, I wanted to get the title I had always wanted for her.

I would have been TOTALLY PISSED OFF if I hadn't known about this possible change and deleted her only to have the update go in shortly after.

Hooray for slip-ups, and hooray for keeping us informed.

Quoted to make it stand out more.

Yol · Feb 19, 2011, 09:46 AM // 09:46

I'd be very happy if they changed the survivor title like this, as it means I'd have the chance to get the title for most of my main characters (created before titles were even introduced). Fingers crossed that they make the titan quests repeatable as well, as I remember them to be a decent (but useless at the time) source of xp.....

Gabs88 · Feb 19, 2011, 11:00 AM // 11:00

Bloody sucks, I BOUGHT a new account 31 days ago just to make a fresh start, with all skill packs and all. Got 10 maxed by now and then i figure I could have dropped the whole thing =\

Finished 2 survivors on it even, and working on a third

davehall · Feb 19, 2011, 05:47 PM // 17:47

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Originally Posted by Gabs88

Bloody sucks, I BOUGHT a new account 31 days ago just to make a fresh start, with all skill packs and all. Got 10 maxed by now and then i figure I could have dropped the whole thing =\

Finished 2 survivors on it even, and working on a third

Before Factions came out I had purchased 3 extra accounts because each account couldn't hold more than 4 char slots and also because I was getting tired of "earning back" skill points and changing skillbars for different tasks (general Pve, farming, running, mules, etc.). (People wonder why I created two monks and two warriors on the same account -- it was because of the inability to quickly or easily change builds.)

Then after anet came out with the skill templates and allowing you to purchase additional character slots per account I pretty much stuck to my main account (more-or-less creating similar-sounding name characters that my other accounts had).

I still play the characters on my other accounts for the Zaishen Challenge quests and farming items for Nicholas the Traveler. I already have survivor on two accounts and currently working on two more survivors.

But I am glad I bought those extra accounts and didn't delete any of the characters on them -- I figure I have made over 3-million K in two days of selling something like 80-100 minis, just shortly after the HoM Calculator out!

vader · Feb 19, 2011, 10:22 PM // 22:22

It will be very interesting how they handle this if they allow you to restart your Survivor track. A completed HM dungeon guide is worth 120,000 XP. You can complete a bunch of them (and all the other books) dying numerous times while doing them, restart your Survivor, turn them all in and presto, you have your rank 3 Survivor.

Cool Name · Feb 19, 2011, 10:25 PM // 22:25

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Originally Posted by vader

It will be very interesting how they handle this if they allow you to restart your Survivor track. A completed HM dungeon guide is worth 120,000 XP. You can complete a bunch of them (and all the other books) dying numerous times while doing them, restart your Survivor, turn them all in and presto, you have your rank 3 Survivor.

For this reason I hope they make it experience that comes through combat. It would mean it wouldn't be as easy as it would have been otherwise, but it's still possible for people who have had their mains die.

Star_Jewel · Feb 19, 2011, 11:10 PM // 23:10

A friend and I were discussing that possibility -- how a person could die numerous times completing quests, books, etc., saving them up to turn in for one big LS payoff. I don't know how I feel about that. I'm not sure it's any less fair than buying Kath Hammers or capturing skeletons on other characters with the current system.

Gaining 1.3mil+ experience through just combat would be kind of hard. Not impossible, just more frustrating and grindy than I think this change is aiming for. I can see removing XP gain from books with the new system, but I rather think quest rewards should still count (especially since a lot of characters going for the title this way have probably already blown through many of the non-repeatable easy quests and first-time mission rewards by now). The good XP left is in Zaishen/WiK/WoC/Elite area quest rewards. There's still risk, and the character is still playing the game, but it wouldn't be so mind-numbingly slow.

I mean, yeah, if it was only gained from combat, the skeletons, the Kathandrax Hammers, all of that would go away. But I don't think it would force everyone to acquire the title totally legitimately. Kilroy would just suddenly get a bunch of new friends.

Lupu · Feb 21, 2011, 09:22 AM // 09:22

I would absolutely love to get a second chance on this! My main will be turning six years at Guild wars this years anniversary and it bugged me for years that there wasn't really any chance for her to get this title.

aspi · Feb 21, 2011, 10:04 AM // 10:04

I would like to get this also on my main title hunter. Would be a shame just to start a new char for this title alone.

Arieon Ito · Feb 22, 2011, 04:10 AM // 04:10

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Originally Posted by vader

It will be very interesting how they handle this if they allow you to restart your Survivor track. A completed HM dungeon guide is worth 120,000 XP. You can complete a bunch of them (and all the other books) dying numerous times while doing them, restart your Survivor, turn them all in and presto, you have your rank 3 Survivor.

Actually quite liking this idea since it won't be too much of a pain t get LS on my original primary char. And I guess people will now add to the wiki that speedbooking for EotN titles will now have synergy with the Survivor title.

Win some lose some? It's just a title and doesn't have the craziness (and perhaps prestige) of some other titles like LDoA.

I'd actually be a little more annoyed if they changed Drukard. (OVER 9000!!!!110101! on my GWAMM to be)

davehall · Feb 22, 2011, 04:29 AM // 04:29

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Originally Posted by Star_Jewel

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Gaining 1.3mil+ experience through just combat would be kind of hard. Not impossible, just more frustrating and grindy than I think this change is aiming for. I can see removing XP gain from books with the new system, but I rather think quest rewards should still count (especially since a lot of characters going for the title this way have probably already blown through many of the non-repeatable easy quests and first-time mission rewards by now). The good XP left is in Zaishen/WiK/WoC/Elite area quest rewards. There's still risk, and the character is still playing the game, but it wouldn't be so mind-numbingly slow. [...]

I am still speculating changes to this and other titles will somehow be tied into Embark Beach. Perhaps through a new Zaishen book or something to give players more incentive to pug more with other players again. lol.

Feb 18, 2011, 07:46 PM // 19:46	#21
SH4D0WZ0MB1E Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Sep 2009	This new "update" seems interesting. Guess I'll have to wait to see how they new mechanics work. Until then, I'm still going to be working on this with my current char I got.

Feb 18, 2011, 08:52 PM // 20:52	#22
Ascended Furling Academy Page Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Netherlands Guild: Shiro Utsuri[Koi] Profession: Mo/	Got Legendary survivor on 21 chars but love to get it on my first char i made. The others i deleted to get them survivor. i wonder how they will make it. If you have to get 1337 mil xp after dieing would be to easy.

Feb 18, 2011, 09:29 PM // 21:29	#24
TheRaven Desert Nomad Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Virginia Guild: Spirit of Elisha Profession: W/	I'm excited about this. I want survivor on my 2 main characters. The real question is what is the best way to go about getting it? (No, i'm not buying a bunch of hammers and I'm not boxing my way to the title). The survivors I do have earned the title with quest rewards, missions and skill capping. i.e, by playing the game. My main has Legendary Skill Hunter and has completed nearly every quest in the game. My current plan is to vanquish a few of the easier areas and perhaps run thru FoW about a dozen times. I've cleared the area before on a survivor with 6 heroes and have taken friend's survivors along as well. My friends brought heroes played along side me and did not simply leech the whole trip.

Feb 18, 2011, 09:32 PM // 21:32	#25
Ascended Furling Academy Page Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Netherlands Guild: Shiro Utsuri[Koi] Profession: Mo/	Ah cool. The not saying thing is good. But seeing in game changes like the new /deaths command make us more curious i think. At least me.

Feb 19, 2011, 12:21 AM // 00:21	#26
Kagome Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Missouri Profession: R/A	I don't understand. How does this work? O_O What's being changed?

Feb 19, 2011, 05:12 AM // 05:12	#29
TheGizzy Krytan Explorer Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: A giant mitten Guild: TeAe Profession: E/R	I would like this very much if it turns out to be what so many suspect (ie: being able to get Survivor by earning appropriate amount of XP since most recent death). I only started playing in October, and knew nothing about Survivor, LDoA, the HoM, etc. I've only truly played my first toon... all the others I have are for storage. I did run the storage toons I made in Factions through the CNY quests, and then realized that my storage Rit was lvl9 and hadn't died, so I decided I'd turn her into my Survivor... but have not started working on that yet. I'd much rather obtain Survivor with my main/first toon, my elementalist. I'm doing all of my other titles on her (except LDoA obviously - and I don't see myself ever actually doing that), and it's sort of bothered me that I'd have to use another toon entirely to get Survivor. I mean, I totally understood WHY it was that way, and I wasn't really bitter about it... just a little saddened, you know? I'm really attached to that toon, and pretty proud of her! I've completed Prophecies, Nightfall & EotN... and I'm close to completing Factions (Unwaking Water, here I come!). I've only just recently started to actually vanquish - I think I have 6 or 7 areas in Nightfall done. I think that at this point, I know how to play my ele well enough that I actually COULD work my way through most things without dying. I deliberately avoided side quest content in Nightfall, Factions & partially in EotN because I very much wanted to do those in HM if possible... so I have a lot of quests I could complete for XP. And there are various missions that I genuinely really love doing in HM - Thunderhead Keep is probably my favorite (always happy when it is the Zaishen!!) and I'd have no problem doing those multiple times even if the only XP I got was from the kills themselves. So yeah, really hoping this is a sign that there will be a way to obtain Survivor on an existing currently "disqualified" toon. That would be amazing!

Feb 19, 2011, 09:46 AM // 09:46	#31
Yol Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Feb 2007 Guild: GameAmp Guides [AMP] Profession: E/	I'd be very happy if they changed the survivor title like this, as it means I'd have the chance to get the title for most of my main characters (created before titles were even introduced). Fingers crossed that they make the titan quests repeatable as well, as I remember them to be a decent (but useless at the time) source of xp.....

Feb 19, 2011, 11:00 AM // 11:00	#32
Gabs88 Desert Nomad Join Date: Jan 2011	Bloody sucks, I BOUGHT a new account 31 days ago just to make a fresh start, with all skill packs and all. Got 10 maxed by now and then i figure I could have dropped the whole thing =\ Finished 2 survivors on it even, and working on a third

Feb 19, 2011, 10:22 PM // 22:22	#34
vader Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Jul 2005 Profession: P/W	It will be very interesting how they handle this if they allow you to restart your Survivor track. A completed HM dungeon guide is worth 120,000 XP. You can complete a bunch of them (and all the other books) dying numerous times while doing them, restart your Survivor, turn them all in and presto, you have your rank 3 Survivor.

Feb 19, 2011, 11:10 PM // 23:10	#36
Star_Jewel Jungle Guide Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Denizen of Tyria since Feb. 2009	A friend and I were discussing that possibility -- how a person could die numerous times completing quests, books, etc., saving them up to turn in for one big LS payoff. I don't know how I feel about that. I'm not sure it's any less fair than buying Kath Hammers or capturing skeletons on other characters with the current system. Gaining 1.3mil+ experience through just combat would be kind of hard. Not impossible, just more frustrating and grindy than I think this change is aiming for. I can see removing XP gain from books with the new system, but I rather think quest rewards should still count (especially since a lot of characters going for the title this way have probably already blown through many of the non-repeatable easy quests and first-time mission rewards by now). The good XP left is in Zaishen/WiK/WoC/Elite area quest rewards. There's still risk, and the character is still playing the game, but it wouldn't be so mind-numbingly slow. I mean, yeah, if it was only gained from combat, the skeletons, the Kathandrax Hammers, all of that would go away. But I don't think it would force everyone to acquire the title totally legitimately. Kilroy would just suddenly get a bunch of new friends.

Feb 21, 2011, 09:22 AM // 09:22	#37
Lupu Academy Page Join Date: Feb 2011 Profession: N/Rt	I would absolutely love to get a second chance on this! My main will be turning six years at Guild wars this years anniversary and it bugged me for years that there wasn't really any chance for her to get this title.

Feb 21, 2011, 10:04 AM // 10:04	#38
aspi Desert Nomad Join Date: Jan 2010 Guild: eeew Profession: N/Rt	I would like to get this also on my main title hunter. Would be a shame just to start a new char for this title alone.